Spiral 3 Episodes 7 & 8 30th April 2011

  • Ah good, glad you’re out, considering that was the bunkers to end all bunkers..
    re: Roban’s snogfest:
    guessing you’re a romantic sort? moi aussi, however surely it’s only in Mills & Boon that a kiss sends electric shivers up and down your spine and the world explodes whilst bolts of lightening strike your heart in two, sent from the blue?..unless:

    a) the world really IS exploding or

    b) you have both unluckily been struck by lightening and even unluckier aren’t wearing rubber soled shoes…

    Yes, Monsieur Le Juge, i started off liking him (though not in an unjudicial way!) He fell pretty promptly from his pedestal with his sexist treatment of Madame for me. Not to mention it being pretty low down & dirty and not very cool or smooth of him at all. Picking on the Mayor’s wife to get to the Mayor..mind you she was surprisingly subservient was she not? I expected her to:

    a) deliver a satisfyingly resounding slap or:

    b) Play the wild card by haughtily disrobing herself whilst fixing him with a steely glare (hopefully with her best La Senza on). Throwing the lot on his desk majestically & walking out so attired into the corridor with chin and head held high. Half way out of the door she casts a scornful glance over her shoulder whilst delivering this line:

    “I’ll send you the shoes”!(That’s what Sophia Loren would have done)

    “Shakespeare’s bottled spider”? love the phrase but unfamiliar with it? great description of Le Juge indeed!

  • Oh good, i’m glad. It still makes me laugh, however, only you and i apparently!..
    i spent some time pondering whether dear David would have said “Creature” or “Primate”. I really wanted to put
    “she accepts that the other creature won’t kill her”! “
    sadly i concluded that His Attenboroughness would have been correct and stuck only to “primate”…

    Whether you are a bad person, mais non, you just prefer bunkers.
    Who is to say that the giant spectacle of gilded gold, cantering horses looking like they’d been given a quick line to sniff before off with one falling down with the horrors, not to mention the proud panoply of The Most Ridiculous Headgear Ever Seen was not horrific?!

Spiral 3 Episodes 7 & 8 29th April 2011

  • hilarieuse!
    Clarissima Catwoman isn’t…je on y va au ma travaille…

    @ All
    Agree with your point above, i cannot believe Spiral takes itself seriously!

    i never have, looking on it as a kind of French farce. Regarding the characters and their motivations and whether it is a real who dunnit or not and as he said, the whole good guys/bad guys thing and who wins, i’m not really seeing it like that or any way in particular. It always seemed to me to require a gargantuan pinch of salt.

    I keep an open mind and personally am really enjoying it in every way (apart from the de rigeur gore). I like that i am emotionally detached form the characters, it doesn’t matter whether i like them or not!.

    I needed a break from the infamous Killing as it was so heavy and emotional and you were sucked into the character’s lives and identifying with them. With all the full horror that entailed. I like that this, to me, is(mostly) fun.

    Surely it is in the long line of traditional French farce? ok with added grit and gore, in fact a whole skip load of grit, the roads of Paris will never ice up..and are metaphorically slippery with blood.

    nb. when i refuse to believe Ronaldo did it i am not entirely serious, but i like to play around with the possibilities just for fun as that is what it seems to offer.

    The other thing is that it is in actuality one of those rare shows peopled pretty much by men. Which i like as it is unusual. Yes, we have Laure and Josephine however they are part of the male system.

    We have Josephine who has decided to act like a man with Laure pretty unsuccessfully failing in this man’s world by acting like a bit of a soppy woman (sorry mes soeurs).

Spiral 3 Episodes 7 & 8 29th April 2011

  • yes, Denim aftershave or peut etre, Old Spice….

    this may make you laugh:
    Roban’s Snogging Session as Intoned in a Hushed Sing Song Voice
    by David Attenborough:

    Now, the mating ritual of the kiss: the male primate has moved in closer and closer, to the female.. Carefully and almost imperceptibly, so as not to frighten her away, back to her habitat where there could be highly prized chocolate… He must move fast, hesitate, and it might be too late.. The female, sensing his ambivalent movement, prepares herself, if willing, for the lip sucking ritual to begin.. Her pupils dilate, she tilts or lowers her head back, exposing her fleshy neck, a sign of trust.. She moves her mouth upward in readiness and half closes her eyes. She has confirmed by this she accepts that the other primate will not kill her.. The male primate pounces, lips squelch, the mating ritual has begun..

  • clarissima

    29 April 2011 2:25AM

    True dat, stressing them like metal, to see where they will bend or crack
    or perhaps go Spiral?
    .
    @All
    i love Arthouse films, but oui, they can be dull. Guess having something beautiful to look at makes up for it somewhat. My eyes lap up Spiral like Lawrence getting his beer at the end of the desert.

    Apart from the gloopy orange perma lamp lit USA shows there really isn’t much art in anything. Tango land whilst unusual at first and quite breathtaking, became: wish they would just turn the lights on, just once.

    The thing i probably dislike most about USA shows which i can forgive most things yet not the dread infection, incipient and spreading, of the language known as psycho babble.

    Apart from the recognisable practical phrases necessary to get their job done the rest of the time in US shows they might as well be talking in Esperanto..i mean what the hell are they saying?!

Spiral 3 Guardian Blog episodes 7 & 8 28th April 2011

  • as he says, this is the Guardian and it’s fair surely to compare and contrast different things in a discussion. You find this request on an essay question in English literature.
    Your scene with Ronaldo, his innocent smoothie (which i saw as blood) with “the horse laughing outside, in French”!
    formidable and vraimant dark, the idea & image of horse laughing in French still amuses me when it isn’t being seriously sinisterly scary..
    .
    You say Gilou “la tuent” Laure, moi, ‘m not full convinced. Not in That way i feel.

    @all if Gilou Really loved our la Laure he wouldn’t let her take the fall for the shooting. He knows Belmont is on to her, indeed saw him break up with her most likely over it. Laure said:
    ” he”ll know i broke the seal”!
    I’m having second thoughts about Gilou-he is not being a Gentleman..
    Why should Laure bite the bullet?.

    Nb. not sure there really is a plural of “safes” as i wrote earlier..

  • clarissima

    28 April 2011 1:15AM

    oops wrong French there “tuent” i think means to kill!..

    no worries, i probably really wouldn’t have wanted to know, yet..
    @all
    I’m not really down on Arnaud, never was, not sure why everyone thinks he’s slimy He seemed quite innocent and true of heart in his encounter.

    Roban is Werthers Ad gone to the dark side..(this is only Wertherist) mind you Mrs. Courcelles was strangely Stepford Wives about it all..

    Roban’s gulp, snogging scene:
    thank you ,whoever reminded me of this, i had blanked it out of my memory in sheer trauma or reflexive defence.

    Not due to it being Roban, for me snogging on film whatever the age, youth or handsomeness involved looks supremely unsexy so can never understand why they show it. They must think it is sexy.
    Guess it has some brief emotional resonance if you’ve been hoping for them to get together.

    However Roban’s session went on far too excruciatingly long..
    Their quadruple lips were seemingly struggling for supremacy like giant slugs vapor locked with each other whilst attempting some variant form of vacuum packing. On LSD..

  • clarissima

    28 April 2011 12:41PM

    must stop looking, my avatar still hasn’t changed, it has to be moderated you know…it’s So exciting
    Dear Moderators, elle est tres belle, ne c’est pas?

  • hey, thank you for that, i remember now him saying about the phone tapping. Does the standard of Policing shown so far indicate any likely highly organised phone tapping Investigations tho? Hardly..

    i reckon the Station Policeman didn’t ask him for I.D, not that we saw. Maybe Le Shark was so good he carried it off(well the Station guy would presume his knowledge about the girl to mean that he Was the Police). Or as you say, is a real Policeman, too truly terrible, Non?

    Isn’t there like a Trafficking or Vice Department that Laure & Co would have liaised with by now? Wonder when they will twig if ever, about Elena’s brief sojourn at and disappearance from, the station?

    Were you urging her vocally:
    “come on Girl, run, run”!?
    (heart beating more than somewhat)
    i was..
    That was SO harsh, a near miraculously lucky escape to have come across a police car by utter chance and THEN…
    i was also urging her:
    “Don’t get in the car!”

    Very funny indeed your mate’s description of Gilou as “A MOnitor Lizard”!
    i suppose there is something of a lizard about Gilou, being that he has a big face and a proportionally large-ish chin i guess but what is a Monitor Lizard when it’s at home?!

    He’s still a big hunkathon though. For me he has an endearing drag aspect to him, think Hinge & Bracket..He could well have a handbag which he would conjure out of nowhere, it would be a big old-fashioned and capacious one, opening with a clasp and from within it’s depths he would flourish a hankerchief for Laure to blow her ever snivelling nose on..

    Nb. What does your mate think of my theory that Gilou blow dries his hair? A bit unusual for a French Les Flic..or maybe the wardrobe department, exasperated by his refusal to change his jeans or T-Shirt (“i’ve only worn them a few weeks!”) took their revenge by bundling him over, protesting loudly, to the Hair Stylists!…

    Seriously, Gilou is for me, Mrs. Doubtfire meets (Gerard) Depardieu..
    Now if he could cook…=”agousto perfecto!”

  • Thank you very much guys/girl, very specific information there..Yes, i may be hoping in vain for a connection with somneone we have seen..

    Does seem from what you say if the language was unidentifiable, he was not necessarily French although of course could be bi-lingual. or tri…

    You would expect as these sort of Dramas usually go, that Vlad would be of the same Nationality and they are all linked ‘from way back when/or from the home country/same village etc.’ ‘ but with Spiral we can never assume..

  • Very interesting idea that Vlad could be Mr Big at the prison, it’s surely a possibility?
    It would certainly be to their benefit to have someone either within the Legal system. Literally within it as in prison would still be useful. or within the Police.

    @Igloo’ for Gilou very funny..i agree about T-Shirts and jeans, however there is a strange law of physics that says some guys are made for suits and look terrible in T-shirts (especially if they iron them including the sleeves-quelle horreure) and some guys just were created for jeans and old T-shirts..Gilou being a prime example..

    I like a guy in a suit or a T-shirt, specially Soul Suit style, now Belmont certainly carries off a suit, ne c’est pas? I feel i am being too terribly sexist dwelling on all this, i may receive a Guardian administered shock emanating from the keyboard soon whilst offending all or some of the men here..

    Sorry guys, not used to being sexist but it’s kind of fun and some retribution for all the allusions however delicate towards the various female characters..”Harpsichords huh, fingering”? uhuh…

    Yes, i too, hoped for Laure to find love with Belmont preferably, no bad thing that they argue as all watchers of romantic dramas can attest. This is often the marker for ‘true love’..First they hate each other, argue, stomp off.. Then there is the required numerous misunderstandings and then, hopefully, reconciliation.

    @James Donaghy predicted on here for us romantics, that they “may well get back together when this case is closed” so there is hope for a fairy tale happy ending yet…perhaps

Spiral 3 Episodes 7 & 24th April 2011

  • Bremont is officially hot. He could once have been a twinkly slightly maelevolent gnome who slimmed down and grew tall. For the life of me i can only think he wears some sort of suit.

    However his stomach status can be found writ large in
    The Book of Washboards to the power of 6:
    which sayeth here lies a 16 pack stomach which is a rarely seen anomaly in the envelope of the universe knowest as earth and is herein named a 6 pack to infinity….

    I too thought there was real romance there, although Laure did go alarmingly pop eyed and slightly manic. I wasn’t sure at first if this was her ‘game on face’ and she was just playing him.

    However as it progressed i felt that they had real feelings for each other and it became a whole mini love story within the rest. Ahh..
    But doomed, of course, in an almost Shakespearean tragic way..

    Yes, i too wanted them to get together since he made her so very happy.. Did anybody else notice that Laure seemed to grow small sideburns and turn into a young Victorian Gentleman at some point when they were getting it on and you were playing spot who is with who exactly? A game that ran throughout the episodes..

Spiral 3 Guardian Blog Episodes 7 &8 24th April 2011

  • Hey, no problem, considering my usual stubborness that was quite a peace pipe process wasn’t it? You had made some good and enlightening points i felt.

    Your comment about looking for a commentator named Vestgate made me laugh!

    I would like to amend my comments regarding your elucidation of the usual types of”sympathetic/trooper” type of woman detective: they are not striclty speaking “misogynistic” in themselves, just a stereotype i would say on reflection. A gender stereotype yes but not exactly hateful, non?

    Brilliant description of Machard, from a fellow addictee of alliteration and playing around with words.(not that you are necessarily addicted as i am).I agree it is unfair that men obviously do not get judged on what they wear and this is in itself sexist.

    @ Jamie12 &@ all:
    I have proposed a whole new funky outfit for Laure(see end previous blog) which included a leather coat a’ la Shaft-So i am quite pleased that this week she has taken my advice and adopted a cute (but not yet fully cool) leather jacket ensemble. However i have to admit i believe she was wearing that before at some point..

    Must say i am bemused that anybody, especially women and tut tut, Guardian readers(?!) have so much to say on Laure’s clothes in the first place. I have had fun creating her new style but the truth is i barely notice what people wear, at all.
    What on earth does it have to do with anything?

    I could tell you that Tin Tin has a lovely deep blue shirt which he seems to wear all the time only because i particularly like that colour. All the men in fact seem to wear pretty much the same thing, all the time, i would be hard put to describe what they wear..

    @all:
    Gilou is just made for T-shirts by the way..And jeans….(lapses into delightful reverie concerning Gilou in jeans) and what is this? i swear he has blow-dried his hair this week!. Gilou, you’ve been to the women’s hairdressers, haven’t you?!

    appropo of nothing Gilou started to take on a Mrs Doubtfire persona for me this week! looking after Laure so solicitiously, ahhh.. there is something of the female drag about him i swear, he is like a big, kindly fussy, funny Grandmaman..a Ya Ya as they say in some countries..

    He was like her bezzie mate in the women’s loos with her wasn’t he? he would have held back her hair for her if she felt sick no doubt, but Mon dieu, did she never stop crying?!

    @JJll39 &@Pichard
    Thank you guys (or girl) very much for that, looks like i didn’t miss as much as i thought. How hilarious was that scenario by the way? Ahh, the old, “No, i don’t know who you mean?” trick from the person now living at the flat he was only at just yesterday.”!
    the Mysterioso Number 4..shades of so many other films, including the eerie 13 and a 1/3 floor of Being John Malkovitch?.

    @Snarzan
    Thank you for that, completely forgot about the existence of ‘Le’.
    It may have been due to imbibing a necessarily French Chardonnay, from the very sunnily sounding Le Village De Sud, with a funny typically French line drawing of ‘Claude, Le Cyclist’ on it, upon closer examination with some uncomfortably tight looking lycra shorts)

    i just liked the sound and the look of La, sounding more jolly somehow..
    i just mess around with words for fun and hereby claim poetic license..

    To those who said it, i too, have my doubts about “Le sexi Mex”‘s guilt, it all seemed too pat somehow. Do we really know the lock-up belonged to him, was it not only on the word of the mysteriously scarfed ‘Le Poulard’? I wonder about him..Could he be the killer in diguise? Could he be Roanldo’s (rapist) Dad? and what about the Ronaldo look alike at the canal?

    I do wonder yet if the killer may turn out to be a ‘suit’ someone we think is ‘normal’ which would be Even scarier, of course..like the evil eyed Mayor? who sees scarily familiar with the concept of producing porn and blackmailing people.. i actually thought that film was involving some of Niko’s lot for a moment. Could the Mayor be the eponymous Le Shark?

    Could the theme of twins be important? Or the theme of family throughout the show? Ronaldo just doesn’t seem old enough or focused enough (despite the extremely stary eyes and steely glared demeanour, ham or jambon or what? it seemed a bit over the top) .

    It seems to me to be the work of an older man. Is the next two episodes the last? in which case maybe it is too late for another killer to be revealed?

    @Wonketter:
    Your description of Ronaldo and the nutella jars made me laugh!

Spiral 3 Guardian Blog Episodes 7 & 8 26th April 2011

  • 26 April 2011 12:39AM

  • brilliant, thank you for that, so Albanian then. Looks like it’s not the Mayor or Martin who are Vlad. Unless they have alter egos..The mayor does look a bit like Niko though.

    Exactly.
    Oh go on, do tell..who do you think Vlad is?

    @ All
    The Laure & Gilou Love Saga:
    (will they/won’t they/do they?)

    At one point whilst watching this wek’s Spiral i thought:
    ” Gilou Is in love with her!”

    First Gilou (the incredible hulk?!) sulks when he overhears Laure phoning Bremont at the station.
    Then he sulks again in his car whilst following her, fade to blue and sad music plays in the background, in the rain..

    He follows Laure to an apartment block and whilst waiting outside he
    phones Nadia asking her to check the number plate of a car parked outside. Nadia tells him:
    “It’s The Crime Squad”
    We know that he guesses that it’s Belmont’s car.

    Another time Tin Tin & Gilou are parked up, talking about Gilou’s promotion and Tin Tin turns to him and says:
    “Don’t tell me it won’t be a wrench, leaving Laure?”
    Gilou look away, sighs, hunches up a little..

    Gilou follows her again when Laure goes to meet Belmont, all excited like a teenager. Belmont comes out to her car parked up outside.

    Laure looks up to Belmont, face beaming and says:
    “Where are you taking me?
    Bremont:
    ” Nowhere, this is the end of the road, what are you not telling me?,
    i have the dealer and the bullet”..

    Heartbreakingly, Laure does not get it for a while and persists, still thinking they are an item, until finally being frozen out by his arctic glare..Ah.

    During this time Gilou is still parked outside, watching. It does seem a little stalkersish. He has followed her since she received a mysterious phone call back at the Station. Just hearing her end of it:
    Laure:
    “Allo?”
    “Maintenant?”
    “Allez”..

    Then we see both Laure and Gilou driving seperately, him following her. Blue ghostly light appears( favoured by Spiral for moody moments) more wonderful music plays..It was at this point that i felt Gilou is definitely jealous. They drive, drive, for some time.
    This whole thread is car themed!

    This leads us to the point later where Bremon breaks up with her and Gilou is watching, solicitiously, from a distance away as Laure breaks down and cries in her car.

    Gilou watching her exclaims angrily:
    “Shit!”
    He’s worried she’s been hurt, again? i’m guessing. All in all i felt he was looking to catch her if she fell.Ah.

    Funnily, he said it in English, this being balanced out later by somebody else in that evening saying “merde!”

    Lots of safes:
    Josephine gets money out of a safe
    Roban puts ? something into a safe, i thought the letter however that was left out as Aranaud found it.
    Possibly the Casino man gets money out of a safe to give to Josephine, since he takes her inside?
    Mrs. Coucelles gives up the location of her husband’s safe.

    “Comme s’appelle Mr. Bo”:
    How odd & surreal was that scene where Laure and Gilou
    ( i think) go looking for a tip.

    They end up at a place staffed by a guy with huge big eyes with enormous shadows who looks a little like he has clown make-up on.
    He answers their query by replying:
    “Comme s’appelle Mr Bo”!
    Was this a complete red herring a “poussin rouge”?

    nb. The background music, which i suddenly noticed again last week, is really growing on me..

Spiral 3 Episodes 7&8 April 26th 2011

  • @Sunnyone
    hey, thank you for that, i remember now him saying about the phone tapping. Does the standard of Policing shown so far indicate any likely highly organised phone tapping Investigations tho? Hardly..

    i reckon the Station Policeman didn’t ask him for I.D, not that we saw. Maybe Le Shark was so good he carried it off(well the Station guy would presume his knowledge about the girl to mean that he Was the Police). Or as you say, is a real Policeman, too truly terrible, Non?

    Isn’t there like a Trafficking or Vice Department that Laure & Co would have liaised with by now? Wonder when they will twig if ever, about Elena’s brief sojourn at and disappearance from, the station?

    Were you urging her vocally:
    “come on Girl, run, run”!?
    (heart beating more than somewhat)
    i was..
    That was SO harsh, a near miraculously lucky escape to have come across a police car by utter chance and THEN…
    i was also urging her:
    “Don’t get in the car!”

    Very funny indeed your mate’s description of Gilou as “A MOnitor Lizard”!
    i suppose there is something of a lizard about Gilou, being that he has a big face and a proportionally large-ish chin i guess but what is a Monitor Lizard when it’s at home?!

    He’s still a big hunkathon though. For me he has an endearing drag aspect to him, think Hinge & Bracket..He could well have a handbag which he would conjure out of nowhere, it would be a big old-fashioned and capacious one, opening with a clasp and from within it’s depths he would flourish a hankerchief for Laure to blow her ever snivelling nose on..

    Nb. What does your mate think of my theory that Gilou blow dries his hair? A bit unusual for a French Les Flic..or maybe the wardrobe department, exasperated by his refusal to change his jeans or T-Shirt (“i’ve only worn them a few weeks!”) took their revenge by bundling him over, protesting loudly, to the Hair Stylists!…

    Seriously, Gilou is for me, Mrs. Doubtfire meets (Gerard) Depardieu..
    Now if he could cook…=”agousto perfecto!”.

    @HIgh Fidelity & @Devongirl4:
    Thank you very much guys/girl, very specific information there..Yes, i may be hoping in vain for a connection with somneone we have seen..

    Does seem from what you say if the language was unidentifiable, @DevonGirl4,he was not necessaarily French although of course could be bi-lingual. or tri…

    You would expect as these sort of Dramas usually go, that Vlad would be of the same Nationality and they are all linked ‘from way back when/or from the home country/same village etc.’ ‘ but with Spiral we can never assume..

    @High Fidelity:
    Very interesting idea that Vlad could be Mr Big at the prison, it’s surely a possibility?
    It would certainly be to their benefit to have someone either within the Legal system. Literally within it as in prison would still be useful. or within the Police.

    @DevonGirl4:
    @Igloo’ for Gilou very funny..i agree about T-Shirts and jeans, however there is a strange law of physics that says some guys are made for suits and look terrible in T-shirts (especially if they iron them including the sleeves-quelle horreure) and some guys just were created for jeans and old T-shirts..Gilou being a prime example..

    I like a guy in a suit or a T-shirt, specially Soul Suit style, now Belmont certainly carries off a suit, ne c’est pas? I feel i am being too terribly sexist dewelling on all this, i may receive a Guardian administered shock emanating from the keyboard soon whilst offending all or some of the men here..

    Sorry guys, not used to being sexist but it’s kind of fun and some retribution for all the allusions however delicate towards the various female characters..”Harpsichords huh, fingering”? uhuh…

    @Sunnyone:
    Yes, i too, hoped for Laure to find love with Belmont preferably, no bad thing that they argue as all watchers of romantic dramas can attest. This is often the marker for ‘true love’..First they hate each other, argue, stomp off.. Then there is the required numerous misunderstandings and then, hopefully, reconciliation.

    @James Donaghy predicted on here for us romantics, that they “may well get back together when this case is closed” so there is hope for a fairy tale happy ending yet…perhaps